So when Matt decided he wanted to tackle mastering public speaking, the end result was being onstage or online as someone who could command an audience, and give and inspire.
But that end result didn't reflect his real life, he says.
"In my real life, I still had a lot of low self esteem and had a lot of problems around suppressing emotions and really crappy relationships.
"One of the things Sharon taught me was if you’re going to talk it onstage, you have to live it."
When Sharon pointed it out to Matt, he got that being a master trainer wasn't just about the skill set but deciding to bridge the gap between who he was on and offstage.
At the the time, "I was like, 'Don't look in my house, it's a shambles, don't look in my car' but out of the house I would look nice.
"I didn’t keep the promises I made to myself, I let myself down, I didn’t pay my bills so I attracted people who didn't pay their bills."
Time to clean the closet. Matt knew he couldn't start to do what he wanted until he was living 'above the line' values.
"If I'm not doing it, I can't tell someone else to do it. That's being a hyprocrite, right? I'm not going to be that person. I'm not going to be that trainer.
"That's unauthentic. We have to embody everything we talk about."